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Dear deluded Saradamma devotee: Unfortunately for ...

2013-03-11T14:30:38.951+00:00

Dear deluded Saradamma devotee:
Unfortunately for you I actually know Saradamma. She has many desires - especially for tasty food, vehicles, clothes, power, money, and sex (?!) - which is easily seen by anyyone except of course her silly devotees (who apart from being blind and dumb are genetically related to sheep). Another thing I forgot to mention is that her devotees wrongly think that sadhana means imitating Amma in every way. Did you know she also has a predilection for telling “stories”? She is a notorious and blatant liar and I read exactly the same thing in your preposterous attempts to justify her obvious wrongdoings. Persist in your stupidity if you want, but for God's sake don’t bother others with it!

Chi ting master, what a pitiable state you are in....

2013-03-11T09:27:16.050+00:00

Chi ting master, what a pitiable state you are in. you dont have a good guru and unable to improve on spiritual path and hence assumed Guru within will do the needful. If you know Guru is within then why all this mastership on Chi ting? LoL :-)

you already have a fixed opinion on Saradamma and hence whatever i say will be interpreted in different ways by you. No point in conveying the importance of a living guru and how amma's presence helps her devotees to you.

rgds.

Oh dear what a load of sanctimonious rubbish. If y...

2013-03-10T14:25:26.878+00:00

Oh dear what a load of sanctimonious rubbish. If your Amma knew you were writing on this blog you would be in really big trouble. You are supposed to be giving her your singlepointed devotion every second of the day. The reason why you know so little despite your "long association" is because you have never given her a single penny and she has never let you close to her. Perhaps if you were a Dutch multi millionaire you would be more privy to the inner workings of her empire! You asked how long I sat by the Gate: I would never be so stupid to go and sit there myself - I know that the Guru is within. And about Saradamma's "land buying business," an enlightened being would never be concerned about building houses or who her next door neighbour is. Please also note: Amma herself refers to the compound and the land around it as "her ashram."

Lastly if your precious Amma says desire is the root of all evil, perhaps you should ask her why she went to see Annamalai Swami for "special advice" in the 90s. Maybe you should ask some of the older Indian devotees about Saradamma's dark secret?!

S: Then there is her land buying business, she let...

2013-03-10T12:01:40.342+00:00

S: Then there is her land buying business, she lets rich devotees buy up the land around the ashram, in the ashram’s name off course. So she has become the spider queen, lurking in the center of her web, feeding on her victims till they die and than she gets rid of their wretched ghosts.

R: This is again incorrect. To ensure good spiritual seekers buy land near her house(ofcourse ones who are affordable types) so that her spiritual vibrations are being received by earnest ones and to avoid the land being used by non spiritual ones, she has advised so. also this acts as an investment for the devotee buying the land and its registered in devotees name and not in Amma's name. Also note, i have seen one or two cases of Amma giving room free of cost to devotees who are cant afford. Amma herself comes from a family which is wealthy enough to survive Amma and some of her devotees. she doesnt need devotees money for this.

Moreover the ashram you meant is not ashram but a house belonging to her constructed in the land purchased by her father.

S: Saradama is just a poor wretched, psychotic woman with a huge father complex, labelling sex as dirty and an obstacle to realization.

R: So instead of wasting time in writing wrong things and passing wrong info, get some good attitude by going around Arunachala daily. You seem to be a drug addict to me and writing whatever comes to your mind. pl grow and my prayers to arunachala for your growth.

Some may think i am being more personal towards sis here, but left with no other option. this is my nature and this is how i respond and nothing to do with me being a devotee of Amma. some other devotee might have handled this situation in a different and more decent way, but i handle things in this way. this is my way.

Another thing, Amma generally says desire is the root of all evil, so she asks us to avoid any kind of desire for tasty food, sex, vehicles, clothes, power, money etc., I dont know why this topic is only about sex and not about her teachings on completely putting a fullstop to all kinds of desires by surrendering or self enquiry. may be since your minds are full of sex, you are unable to accept the teaching and give importanct to this one aspect of her teaching and less focus on her other aspects like complete avoidance of desires thru surrender and enquiry, karma yoga. Only by practise and control (not by supression or indulging in desire) can mind become more steady and fit for spiritual practise and enlightment. If any guru says otherwise, ask him if he hasnt done any practise in this or previous lives and the response will be "YES I HAVE PRACTISED in MANY LIVES" to reach this stage. Ignorance can be lost only thru practise and once lost, its complete identification with SELF and no body, no mind, YOU are the SELF. (I AM that I AM).

rgds.

Sis klaus (or loose or nuts or whatever) your know...

2013-03-10T12:01:22.039+00:00

Sis klaus (or loose or nuts or whatever) your knowledge about what is happening arnd saradamma's house is very very limited. you seem to be a fool completely lost in your world. and So is the Chi Ting Master.

to answer to some of your statements made,

Sister (S): The Gate is a place one should avoid under all circumstances. Once you enter that street and approach that wretched place of despair, you are under the influence of Saradamma’s black magic. She will scan you on your vulnerability and your wallet and then decides whether to pull you in or feed you to her dogs.

Response (R): I for one have never paid a single penny to her and had a long association with her. so your wallet story comes from your limited knowledge and may be jealous of Guru or for self attention.

S: If you are accepted you are allowed to sit at the Gate for an hour a day to test how stupid you are. If you are stupid enough you may sit longer until you spend your whole useless life dwelling at that wretched place. All in the vain hope of catching a glimpse of her Holiness.

R: How long did you sit at the gate? may be you sat very long and didnt improve a bit on spirituality. may be you were a charcoal and will need some time to mature. I have become more devotional with bhakti, joy after constant association. i have sat for 1 or 2 hrs and even more hrs, some days and have benefitted a lot. And when my mind became more fit, i was given constant darshans. Its the old school style of making mind a bit pure and ready and then allow more grace to flow to devotee, else the devotee may waste the energy given thru impure means. Its pure Godly love you can feel thru your entire body. If your love is so strong, she immediately responds to it. she knows about it and loads us with further more love (grace or spiritual energy).

Santosha writes in her pathetic, dross-filled Me M...

2012-10-08T14:19:06.648+01:00

Santosha writes in her pathetic, dross-filled Me Me Me book: "In my friendship with Sarada, I was saddened to see that her life of teaching was filled with physical suffering, great emotional frustration and sadness. She often expressed to me her reluctance to stay in the body because those she served lacked any ongoing spiritual maturing and were unable to perceive how their lack of maturity affected her. This was also true of me. Yet I was determined that I must be allowed to live fully, brightly, uninhibited by the immaturity of those around me."

Not only does Santosha do everything she can in her book to establish a spiritual link with Saradamma which quite obviously doesn't exist beyond a banal "personal friendship" - but she even tries to make out she is more advanced than Saradamma. Yet wasn't it rather significant that Swamy showed zero interest in Santosha's request to be accepted as his daughter and gave her almost none of his time. Then there is Saradamma herself. This quote really shows the depth of Saradamma's spiritual psychosis: total attachment to the state of her devotees and deep investment in her own spiritual, emotional and physical wellbeing.

Santosha is just a third rate meditation teacher w...

2012-10-08T13:06:39.732+01:00

Santosha is just a third rate meditation teacher who derives her authority from the deceased sex monster Adi Da: she doesn't give a shit about Saradamma. Their meeting was just a piece of spiritual tourism in the 80s during which Sardamma and Swamy were amazed to meet someone spiritual who'd also had sex! It was a revelation to them to contemplate a different type of spiritual model!

Sri Lakshmana and Sri Saradamma are so chummy with...

2012-10-08T12:54:48.234+01:00

Sri Lakshmana and Sri Saradamma are so chummy with Santosha because they are just as deluded as she is.

I DO agree that Shontosha Tantra is NOT enlightene...

2012-10-08T00:52:58.259+01:00

I DO agree that Shontosha Tantra is NOT enlightened!! I do not understand why Sri Lakshmana and Sri Saradamma are so chummy with her--go figure--they must have some hope that one day she will Enlighten but she would have to stop the astral trips and stop living in her third eye first. There is hope for everyone.

The ego is not even truly there so if these gurus ...

2012-10-07T13:37:47.541+01:00

The ego is not even truly there so if these gurus were even slightly enlightened, they would never recognise it or be remotely concerned about it. The guru also does not have a body. You don't even seem to realise that there is no such thing as realisation. It's also not about what you "want" - or choosing. Nobody chooses - there is no one to choose. Choosing simply happens without an ego ever being involved. You're simply talking about yourself: your deluded, confused patchwork vision of your own fixation on sainthood.

The role of the Guru is certainly not an easy one....

2012-10-06T23:22:30.539+01:00

The role of the Guru is certainly not an easy one. People today carry gross egos the size of football stadiums--it is VERY difficult to chip away. The ego never wants any correction at all-- it wants only indulgence. Mathru Sri Sarada has this very difficult assignment of being the Guru in the body. Ramana Himself used to walk on Arunachala and beg for His students to be taken away!! Realization is not an easy path, it takes YEARS for most and then there is the integration. If you don't want the Self then you don't want what the Guru has to say--period! "Many are called but few CHOOSE!"

Finally the dog, who SM claims to be Ramana’s gran...

2012-02-28T09:27:58.895+00:00

Finally the dog, who SM claims to be Ramana’s grandmother, spoke at last ... and said ...
" Whatever takes place in this wretched ashram, whether it is adultery, sodomy, celibacy or any other perverted sexual behavior has absolutely nothing to do with me. As long as they give me my daily portion of nicey nice Doggy Dogs food for healthier dogs, I will pretend to be their Grandmother, Uncle Ernie, senile Daughter in law or anything else if that is what they want want. Eating, sleeping and a good fuck now and then, that is the life for me. Can you inform the deluded Chi-Ting readers about my humble opinion."

Well folks, since this dog is the only trustworthy source of information at the ashram, I think we can conclude this story about the GATE and what 'lies' behind it.

If you go to Africa and ask what is the greatest t...

2012-02-26T02:16:03.055+00:00

If you go to Africa and ask what is the greatest thing in life, they will say "Food".
If you go to Middle East and ask what is the greatest thing in life, they will say "Peace".
If you go to west and ask what is the greatest thing in life, they will say "Love".

What ever we miss in life appears as the greatest thing in life.

But these things (Food, Peace, Love, ...) may just have social relevance or psychological relevence ... may not have existantial relevance.

A guru that is sad is a sad guru. But, all this ta...

2012-02-25T19:04:33.863+00:00

A guru that is sad is a sad guru. But, all this talk of guru and disciple assumes that the Hindu or Vedanta worldview is alone the correct one. In the West, we don't have gurus in the traditional Indian sense and they don't end up being a good fit for us (and probably not for Indians, either, unless they wear their spiritual traditions lightly).
Forget what some old man says about marriage and the search for "God" - why not listen to the Pope while you are at it. What does he know really, anyway? How do his generalizations apply to your unique life?
The closest most of us will ever get to God in this life is the love shared between people and sometimes that includes sex or marriage. Love, love, love - let that be the foundation for a life well-lived and be pleasing to God, er, Self (how endearing! God as Self is the most impersonal and uninspiring concept of God I've ever fallen for).
Forget Ojas and chakras etc. and go make someone smile - how quaint. What if we measured our "progress" by how much we love others instead of how close we are to getting away from them completely!

Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev talks about it. If the link...

2012-02-25T12:44:30.234+00:00

Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev talks about it.

If the link is not posted for web security reasons, search on that title in youtube.

Is Marriage the right path? - Sadhguru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAGlyRBAnSM&feature=relmfu

Is Marriage Necessary? Sadhguru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3jOdHDkS8

Vedanta was probably always a moral pyramid of exp...

2012-02-25T01:18:22.555+00:00

Vedanta was probably always a moral pyramid of exploitation - just like everything organized ends up being. A Japanese/Indian menage a trois - oh, I won't be getting any sleep tonight! Man, wish I had the guts to be a guru.
A great book to read is "The Shape of Ancient Thought" by Thomas McEillivey - I think that is how you spell it. But, the book compares ancient Greek and Indian thought and even mentions RM. It's all just a groping in the dark - at least, for poor mortals like us. In the meantime, eat, drink and be happy!

Not all of us are strugglng with sex. Some of us d...

2012-02-24T22:45:28.531+00:00

Not all of us are strugglng with sex. Some of us don't mind if we do, don't mind if we don't. Disciple can't control if they choose to have sex or not. This is the point the disciple doesn't grasp ... and the fake guru never includes in their teaching. You know why? Because then there would be no need for gurus and no need for all this spiritual bullshit either. Both the guru and the disciple would be out of a job!

If the disciple thinks the world is unreal this is...

2012-02-24T21:20:09.000+00:00

If the disciple thinks the world is unreal this is Neo Advaita. If the Guru think the world and the disciple is real, this is Hindu eternalism, which spawned the mad dog of Advaita. The Guru misleads the disciple. The blind follow the lame ...

Are we talking beginners like Swami Suddhananda an...

2012-02-24T16:34:18.666+00:00

Are we talking beginners like Swami Suddhananda and his Japanese/Indian ménage à trois or maybe Nithyananda and his home movies?

Vedanta has become a moral pyramid of exploitaion, where the fat cats on the top of the pile get to fuck and fleece the rest of the flock. Metaphorically and literally!

Vedanta is not for beginers ... i mean for those w...

2012-02-24T12:53:32.539+00:00

Vedanta is not for beginers ... i mean for those who are still struggling with Annamaya Kosa level issues like sex.
Such people need to start with Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama.
Otherwise it would be like trying to construct a building without a strong foundation.

One day Guru became compassionate and thought let me teach Vedanta to my disciple.
Guru told the disciple - Brahma Satyam Jagan mithya - Brahman is the only reality, world is unreal.
Disciple thought - If world is unreal, then my Guru is also unreal and ran away.

Lets try the so called Maya concept in daily life.
Do not eat break fast, lunch, dinner.
When you get hungry, tell the mind that hunger is Maaya.
See what happens ... :))

Point here is - for those struggling with sex - body is the reality - not maaya.
When you get established in samadhi like Ramana, then the body is Maaya.
Not right now.

Ego, maya, perspective etc. C'mon! Can't w...

2012-02-24T05:04:06.240+00:00

Ego, maya, perspective etc. C'mon! Can't we just look at life and enjoy the pleasures it affords. We aren't going to end up like Ramana - if we were we would have already. Forget being a vegetarian. How about having a healthy sex life with someone you love or enjoy and getting something out of the life you have without being so damn heavy about it?
Let Sarada get a college degree and practice medicine and put the dolls down. How about raising some children while she's at it? Thrill us with a wholesome mind before "destroying" the mind and conning everyone with word games about how you really don't have a mind! No, all these head games and guru dancing etc makes me think we need to get laid more!

This is Hindu Brahminical bullshit which assumes t...

2012-02-23T22:02:17.413+00:00

This is Hindu Brahminical bullshit which assumes that there is someone with sufficient purity, intelligence and moral fiber to choose the right method for enlightenment and stick to it. Any method - including "sublimation" - is all part of the MAYA. A method does not truly result in enlightenment; there is not truly any liberation; nor is there truly anyone there doing such a method. This is just the way it SEEMS from the perspective of EGO. If a seeker sublimating their sexual impulse happens, this is the spontaneous play of maya: a mere appearance totally devoid of significance and a beautiful illusory dance. But the seeker and the false teacher fall in love with the illusion and then start to believe in it: that there is actually someone there, that there is actually enlightenment, and that that someone can choose to do something to make that enlightenment happen. Even this, ALL OF IT, is a glamour and a fairy tale, simultaneously real and unreal. Both you and the guru - and all that happens in this world - are the stuff of dreams and nightmares, dreamed yet never dreamed, suffered yet never suffered, even though they feel so real ...

Supression is not going to work. Sublimation is th...

2012-02-23T19:55:35.337+00:00

Supression is not going to work.
Sublimation is the solution.

As per Yoga and Ayurveda, once in every 3 weeks semen gets filled up and the sack presses a nerve.
Married men as they have access to woman, will have sex and empty it.
Unmarried looses it in dream.
Some how the sack needs to be emptied.

Yogis use Hatha Yoga techniques to convert semen to Ojas.
Pranayama is one of the keys for this sublimation.

Staying away from woman kind of techniques help to some extent but not a practical solution in modern world.

You can start your journey with these books:
1. Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha - Satyananda Saraswathi - Bihar School Of Yoga
2. Ayurveda: Science of selh healing - Vasant Lad
3. Brahmacharya - Swami Sivananda

Hatha Yoga + Vegetarian food + Satsang - should help

I checked out the second link as the first didn...

2012-02-21T20:58:49.752+00:00

I checked out the second link as the first didn't take and couldn't help but wonder if a Carnival Cruise wouldn't have been better than staying in a "compound" in a 3rd world country. The shower room looked gross - you'd be better off not taking one!
Adi Da seemed like a lunatic from what I gather and I'm done thinking that either Lakshama Swami or Sarada are enlightened (I don't pretend to know what that means).
Isn't living in a cave kinda like the old phrase. "crawl under a rock and die"? I really liked Godman's book about RM - it really screwed me up for a while, but "No mind, I am the Self" was so ridiculous I had to question everything - so it was good for that. Damn, I bounced a check to buy that book!

Interestingly Saradamma dashed to the Ramakrishna ...

2012-02-21T17:06:32.207+00:00

Interestingly Saradamma dashed to the Ramakrishna Temple in December, barely within 3 weeks of your article:

http://www.veengle.com/s/Mathru%20Sri%20Sarada.html

She is also listed on the same page as the horrendous Santosha Tantra, a NY yoga freak who looks like a reject from Last of the Mohicans and of course, thinks she is enlightened. Santosha visited Saradamma in the 80s - read here:

http://santoshatantra.com/Stories_and_Documents/India_trip.htm

and is influenced by Adi Da. The only good thing about her is that she put Godman firmly in his place. He boasted about his sadhana to her - 6 months in a cave - and she asked him why he'd bothered!