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haha. i think the very last comment is most notewo...

2011-04-02T12:53:28.277+01:00

haha. i think the very last comment is most noteworthy...

"...may end up taking us where we really don't want to go.'

i really don't think most of us really 'want' 'liberation'...we just want something other than 'this'. and this not wanting of 'this' spurs us on a search and leads us down the rabbit hole. we all have our cack-a-phony idea what 'that' might be, which only propels us further on or away and apart...

oy. enough already. enjoy this but that we wont do! we like our terrible miseries too much, all of us closet fetishists after all. sister you are not alone, bravo for embracing it. we are all you, but we just don;t know it. oh dear...

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In addition to what HH Kevinji said it must be cle...

2011-04-02T10:45:08.506+01:00

In addition to what HH Kevinji said it must be clear that this blog is for people showing any signs of intelligence and a minimal yearning fot Truth (whatever that may be), all other people not in this league can take refuge and indulge in the utter sillyness of blogs like "Guru's feet" and stop polluting this splendid blog with their Scheisse and other excrements.
That should be our beacon !!1

Ramana is the "Capo di tutti Capi" of Ad...

2011-04-02T07:33:12.613+01:00

Ramana is the "Capo di tutti Capi" of Advaita. He gave us an invitation to look in the looking glass, but when we look through it we may find something alien and uncomfortable. To our minds and preconceived ideas this can be very challenging/painful. Ramana may end up taking us where we really don't want to go.

After an emergency meeting of the Chi-Ting Politbu...

2011-04-02T06:53:31.086+01:00

After an emergency meeting of the Chi-Ting Politburo (chaired by the resplendent Sister Klaus) we have decided to elect Nurse Strict as our new beacon of Moral and Ideological Correction. Any more fisticuffs between devotees will not be tolerated and punishment will be swiftly and firmly administered!

The mind can come to believe it is honest, and t...

2011-04-02T06:02:22.901+01:00

The mind
can come to believe it is honest, and the mind
can come to believe it is open. But the mind
cannot help but run from vulnerability and criticism For the
entire edifice of the mind is constructed on the
notion of safety for the individual.

The comments on April 1 and earlier, made it very ...

2011-04-02T03:18:48.144+01:00

The comments on April 1 and earlier, made it very clear what april fools day is about, if you can't guess, its about fools holding an almost dadaistic discussion in the schizoid brain of 1 person.
I am not gonna add more nonsense. Only this : both Ramana and Adi Shankara said that both devotion and self inquiry are needed and that one is not better then the other. so stop fooling around and go on with what you have to do, even if it will take you nowhere.

Your castigating the devotional element in Ramana&...

2011-04-02T01:03:42.722+01:00

Your castigating the devotional element in Ramana's teaching puts you in the catagory of spiritual red necks!

above comment reflects a thinly veiled hostility a...

2011-04-01T22:40:57.807+01:00

above comment reflects a thinly veiled hostility and disdain for ramana and his devotees....he may need a helping hand to guide him out of the spiritual cul-de-sac he finds himself in,but would he deign to be receptive to ramana-arunachala instead of being pejorative towards him and his devotees,,,,and here's to you kevji,,,assuming this is a ramana friendly blog,shouldn't you step into the breech to fend off susch attempts at cheapening and denigrating our gold standard?....maybe a more active role on your part regarding this aspect is called for,,,,,impartial objectivity has its drawbacks,

Dear Sodden Husk of Devotion: Of course Ramana'...

2011-04-01T15:19:42.739+01:00

Dear Sodden Husk of Devotion:
Of course Ramana's closest disciples were fundamentalists and idolators! They too are just mere objects of your aged imagination and they were never real. Devotion is fine for the one who exists in separation and intends to stay there. But it is never instrumental in self-realization, only spiritual pride. And by the way, Murugunar is spelt with a "u" not an "a".

According to the above clod Ramana's closest d...

2011-04-01T14:16:01.472+01:00

According to the above clod Ramana's closest disciples themselves spiritual giants of the first order; such as Maruganar, to name but one, absolutely adored Ramana and therefore must be fundamentalists and idolators!Without any devotion you'll become a dry husk as is reflected in your comment.

The problem here is your conservatism which blinds...

2011-04-01T13:45:40.231+01:00

The problem here is your conservatism which blinds you to the depths of Ramana's teaching. Your approach is rooted in idolatry and fundamentalism, something which not only skims the surface and misses the essence of what Ramana said but traps you even further in the illusion of maya.

above commment singles out ramana as an object bet...

2011-04-01T12:29:32.845+01:00

above commment singles out ramana as an object better ignored...dont know what's inside your head to elicit this asinine utterance.and doubt if ramana would solicit such observation from you,,,try another laxative on your brain.

well, y.h, she is not the first to claim not to be...

2011-04-01T12:11:26.535+01:00

well, y.h, she is not the first to claim not to be a guru, and yet apparently function like one....infact no guru will claim to be one, i think.

it is just another form of identity, why would you want to take on, if some help is provided by satsang then great, if not, great. nothing lost. nothing gained.

also paradoxes do not necessarily imply falsehood.

anyways thanks for your summary analysis.

the mystery will continue, until the mind stops.

best!

h.

The world is not totally real so your question is ...

2011-04-01T08:51:06.052+01:00

The world is not totally real so your question is a little awry. You also can't choose a genuine guru. You go to who you go: all of this takes place with only the appearance of an I who chooses and discerns. Beyond separation you realise choice is impossible and so is going to a genuine over a fake guru. Further, you see how the guru is just an empty (but wonderful) picture on the screen of reality. Gurus are never genuine or fake. They are just (highly engaging) pictures. Ramana said lots of things about genuine gurus. He also said it is impossible for the non-realised to tell if a guru is genuine or not. He said that quote to someone else - not you - and it had a context: a time and a place correct only for that person at that moment. The best thing is to ignore the scriptures, especially Ramana. Both are a subtle decoy for those who really think they need a guru and are going to get something if they do.

Disciple "There are so many sadhus wandering ...

2011-04-01T04:39:37.234+01:00

Disciple "There are so many sadhus wandering around how am I to know who is a genuine one?"
Ramana Maharishi most graciously said "He is a real sadhu in whose presence you get an indescribable peace without making any effort"

it's gonna get helter skelter,,, sounds like c...

2011-03-31T12:49:41.467+01:00

it's gonna get helter skelter,,, sounds like charles manson's battle cry...or perhaps just an ill chosen slogan..otherwise the post is brilliant.

It's a bit more messy than that but I will try...

2011-03-29T18:45:21.854+01:00

It's a bit more messy than that but I will try to answer your bullet points.
1/ She left a letter blaming 3 of her devotees, so it would seem that it was intentional. But this is disputed by her former devotee Faisal who believes it was a Tantric rite that went very wrong.
2/ She claimed to be self-realised.
3/ She claimed not to be a guru but she had an ashram! On the exterior walls were painted exhortations for people to go to the Ramana Ashram and not to trouble her: "I am not a guru, go and see the one true guru at the Ramana ashram".
And this is where all your questions bleed into one. She held public satsang at the Ganapa temple until 2006, then she withdrew keeping a small number of devotees around her. They were involved with her in real estate projects, foreigners are not officially permitted to own land in Tamil Nadu. She then fell out with most of them over money and this was a cause of persistent bickering. She also published a book called "Advaitic ratnas" which called her an Advaita guru on the front cover. So it gets very contradictory: she was a guru who claimed not to be a guru!
My personal feeling to paraphrase Hamlet was that "there was something rotten in the state of Denmark."

anon - i love your definition of 'humility&#...

2011-03-29T14:56:46.268+01:00

anon - i *love* your definition of 'humility'...

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thanks hh...i was looking for a narrative....i am ...

2011-03-29T14:52:26.269+01:00

thanks hh...i was looking for a narrative....i am not local, so i don't know what is being said there, and i am not part of the community in any way...there are some similarities, presumed between her and i, and so my interests are somewhat personal but also academic.

i guess the question might fall in this order:
1. was it intentional?
2. was she self-realized? (whatever that is supposed to be)
3. was she self-realized but not a guru?
4. she was not self-realized but a guru?
5. was she a guru?

i guess these are the real questions for me....i guess i ask it here, for although you hh have been fairly critical of her, you also seem to have a wierd sense of honour. and i much prefer to know the opinion of a critical mind than an adoring mind (for it is hard to tell if the critical process was ever engaged before the present supplication)...

so....?

h.

h.

In the present hysterical climate it's underst...

2011-03-28T17:32:56.743+01:00

In the present hysterical climate it's understandable that nobody wants to put their head above the parapet. Hence the proliferation of Anons involved in somewhat surreal conversations with other Anons (think of them as teletubbies and they will seem more cuddly!). Especially now as it seems likely that legal action will be taken against the 'Gang of 3' and the rapacious shadow of local law enforcement further muddies the waters.
And will anyone ever know exactly what was really going on in Radha's mind that fateful day?
There are even some bizarre and manic apologists on the net who believe that Radha's self immolation is "a wonderful teaching!!!"
It is up to your personal discernment and intuition to sift through all the diverse info and opinions presented in the posts and comments sections, here and in other sites, and to draw your own conclusion. That in essence is one of the main themes of this blog, i.e. not handing autonomy and power to those who would use and abuse it for their own ends. "Know thy self", it's simple innit!

it is surreal and sublime to read a conversation b...

2011-03-28T15:28:44.680+01:00

it is surreal and sublime to read a conversation between anon and anon...

this is my first time commenting here, although i have been visiting this site periodically with varying degree of comfort, since i heard of the 'immolation'

i would really like to know what happened with regards to radha ma...can you HH please elaborate?

and also, the post above is truly stellar. keep it up. indeed the dance is in the falling apart and the putting back together and done enough times, may be, just may be, one finds a rest somewhere along the way...

h.

gregory lent,,,,your ill tempered and linguistical...

2011-03-28T10:23:09.295+01:00

gregory lent,,,,your ill tempered and linguistically-challenged outburst is neither edifying nor conducive to a civilised discourse,,,take a cold shower.

dear Anon. You seem to be attracted by appearances...

2011-03-27T14:16:41.946+01:00

dear Anon.
You seem to be attracted by appearances and so missing the whole point,
If you look at me you might see a weirdo, a mad peron, a freak, a honest seeker, whatever you wantto see, you will see.
So from your point of view i slot into all of them.
From my point i'm "slotting" in no one.
So spare me your namaskarams and start looking inside and find that what makes us all one, or none if you prefer that.

That was what my comment was about, next time you could try and read, instead of asking a silly question.

wackos, all wackos all the way down. tiru-effing-v...

2011-03-27T13:25:28.640+01:00

wackos, all wackos all the way down. tiru-effing-vannamalai :-)

That twit Richard Clarke is at it again. He has be...

2011-03-26T23:32:37.951+00:00

That twit Richard Clarke is at it again. He has become the self appointed spokesman for the reconstruction of buildings at Ramana Ashram. As if the ashram doesn't have it's own website! Richard as usual is just parroting what he has heard and making out he's the first to break the news.